It appears that a number of BCS members who have now had chance to see both sides of the debate wish to change their vote.
The Electroral Reform Society, the independent body running the voting on behalf of BCS, have therefore provided he following information.
"Should someone wish to alter their vote, they should notify us by emailing onlinevoting@electoralreform.co.uk. We will be able to reset a person’s security codes and they will then be able to login again and resubmit their proxy form. Similarly, we can also re-issue a paper ballot and remove the original from the count."
Thursday 17 June 2010
Support for EGM Motions Posted on BCS Web Site
These are comments raised in response to the live BCS Webinair on Thursday 10th June.
http://yourfuture.bcs.org/server.php?show=conNewsItem.34896
http://yourfuture.bcs.org/server.php?show=conNewsItem.34896
Wednesday 16 June 2010
Support from Former BCS Specialist Group
I have just picked up on the current round of BCS ‘transformations’ and your call for an EGM.
I am the chairman for the British APL Association who were forced to leave the BCS about 2 years ago after their previous round of membership changes. At that time our group had a very large overseas membership (60%) and a high number of retired professional members (25%). The BCS insisted that all group members had to become full BCS members etc. Etc. This was of no interest to our membership and combined with many other effects of the new rules caused us to call an EGM at which of our own only 1 person out of 652 voted for us to stay in the BCS – subsequently we left. To say the least our members were furious.
We have since (and remain) in conflict with the BCS over the position they left us in. Our funds, including specific gifts, have been absorbed by the BCS who refuse to return any of it. They can give no evidence to our exact membership status as a group or to the terms in which we were originally signed up. The acceptance of the BCS rules were never agreed to. I suspect however that this is not new as my discussions with some other groups have indicated similar issues and a concern that they too may have to leave.
The BCS have shown themselves to be highly un-professional and deliberately obstructive. The Finance department have never returned any of our communications and any communication with the membership departments has fallen on deaf ears. After saying that Judith Taylor has been somewhat more helpful in recent times. We have been left with the view that actually the BCS do not care about the membership only their own internal processes and procedures and we would agree that the BCS is operating outside of their Royal Charter and in some instances against the Charity Commission guidelines.
After our AGM last month it was decided that we would be writing to the Trustees of the BCS to indicate, in more forceful terms, our position and that we will consider a legal challenge to their currently held position if our questions cannot be satisfactorily answered or funds returned.
In our experience the BCS priority is most certainly not its members.
I am not sure if any of this helps you with your campaign but we wish you every success; if only to give the BCS a well deserved ‘kick up the backside’ and a reality check. If they carry on the way they are going they will lose what little credibility they currently have and become the ‘Golden Wonder’ of the IT world; Good idea, Good product but just not good enough.
Best regards
Paul Grosvenor
I am the chairman for the British APL Association who were forced to leave the BCS about 2 years ago after their previous round of membership changes. At that time our group had a very large overseas membership (60%) and a high number of retired professional members (25%). The BCS insisted that all group members had to become full BCS members etc. Etc. This was of no interest to our membership and combined with many other effects of the new rules caused us to call an EGM at which of our own only 1 person out of 652 voted for us to stay in the BCS – subsequently we left. To say the least our members were furious.
We have since (and remain) in conflict with the BCS over the position they left us in. Our funds, including specific gifts, have been absorbed by the BCS who refuse to return any of it. They can give no evidence to our exact membership status as a group or to the terms in which we were originally signed up. The acceptance of the BCS rules were never agreed to. I suspect however that this is not new as my discussions with some other groups have indicated similar issues and a concern that they too may have to leave.
The BCS have shown themselves to be highly un-professional and deliberately obstructive. The Finance department have never returned any of our communications and any communication with the membership departments has fallen on deaf ears. After saying that Judith Taylor has been somewhat more helpful in recent times. We have been left with the view that actually the BCS do not care about the membership only their own internal processes and procedures and we would agree that the BCS is operating outside of their Royal Charter and in some instances against the Charity Commission guidelines.
After our AGM last month it was decided that we would be writing to the Trustees of the BCS to indicate, in more forceful terms, our position and that we will consider a legal challenge to their currently held position if our questions cannot be satisfactorily answered or funds returned.
In our experience the BCS priority is most certainly not its members.
I am not sure if any of this helps you with your campaign but we wish you every success; if only to give the BCS a well deserved ‘kick up the backside’ and a reality check. If they carry on the way they are going they will lose what little credibility they currently have and become the ‘Golden Wonder’ of the IT world; Good idea, Good product but just not good enough.
Best regards
Paul Grosvenor
Friday 11 June 2010
Thursday 10 June 2010
Tuesday 8 June 2010
Other Web Comments on the EGM and surrounding events
These were supplied anonymously by a reader of this Blog.
https://blogs.blackmarble.co.uk/blogs/rfennell/archive/2010/06/06/thoughts-on-the-bcs-egm.aspx
http://blogs.blackmarble.co.uk/blogs/boss/archive/2010/06/07/bcs-egm.aspx
http://lg.dlivingstone.com/2010/06/06/bcs-egm/
https://blogs.blackmarble.co.uk/blogs/rfennell/archive/2010/06/06/thoughts-on-the-bcs-egm.aspx
http://blogs.blackmarble.co.uk/blogs/boss/archive/2010/06/07/bcs-egm.aspx
http://lg.dlivingstone.com/2010/06/06/bcs-egm/
BCS EGM Signatories Reference & Response Site
The leading signatories of the call for the EGM have created the following web site where more information on the background as to why the EGM was called can be found.
http://bcsreform.wikispaces.com/
http://bcsreform.wikispaces.com/
Monday 7 June 2010
A Big Thank You
I just wanted to thank all of those that have sent me emails with messages of support.
Quite a lot have also contained questions and/or requests for more information and I will respond to all of the emails but I would ask that you you be patient as, I am sure you will have realised, my email recipt numbers have exploded since the BCS mailing went out last week.
Quite a lot have also contained questions and/or requests for more information and I will respond to all of the emails but I would ask that you you be patient as, I am sure you will have realised, my email recipt numbers have exploded since the BCS mailing went out last week.
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